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SATAN'S GREATEST HOAX or 226 questions PROVING the doctrine of the TRINITY to be UNSCRIPTURAL! Question 222 through 224- The Trinity and Mystery Babylon. ((Lastly, TomR... don't jump all over Trinitarians for saying that to fully know God and understand the Trinity is a mystery. we can acknowledge what God has revealed to us in Scripture (One God who reveals Himself as three distinct persons), but we can't fully "know" God - as we are finite and He is infinite.)) OK I won't, I'll let the scriptures speak for themselves... 1Jo 5:20 "And we know that THE SON OF GOD IS COME, AND HATH GIVEN US AN UNDERSTANDING, THAT WE MAY KNOW HIM THAT IS TRUE, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen." Joh 16:13 "Howbeit WHEN HE, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, IS COME, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." Rom 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, BEING UNDERSTOOD by the things that are made, *EVEN HIS ETERNAL POWER AND GODHEAD*; so that they are without excuse" 1Co 2:7 "...we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery... 8 WHICH NONE OF THE PRINCES OF THIS WORLD KNEW: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory... 10 BUT GOD HATH REVEALED THEM UNTO US BY HIS SPIRIT: FOR THE SPIRIT SEARCHETH ALL THINGS, YEA, THE DEEP THINGS OF GOD. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now WE have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; THAT WE MIGHT KNOW THE THINGS THAT ARE FREELY GIVEN TO US OF GOD. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." QUESTION #222) If the natural man receives not the things of God, how come so many, worldly, heathen, pagan religions, so-called "Christian" and otherwise, have a Trinity doctrine at the core of their beliefs? And who is it that has the mystery religion- the true or the false church? Jud 1:10 "BUT THESE SPEAK EVIL OF THOSE THINGS WHICH THEY KNOW NOT: BUT WHAT THEY KNOW NATURALLY, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves." Rev 17:5 "And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." QUESTION #223) If the natural man receives not the things of God, and there are to be, according to prophecy, many who claim to be Christians who are not Christians, should we be surprised that these false Christians should adopt a description of God that imitates ancient Babylon, rather than the pure scriptures? Mat 16:15 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven." Mat 13:13 "Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them." QUESTION #224) And which road is more heavily populated- the wide road, or the narrow? Rom 11:1 "I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid... 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew... 5 Even so then at this present time also THERE IS A REMNANT according to the election of grace." Mat 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? ((Can't you see this God of Love?.. "In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that He sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him..." (1 John 4:9-10, 14-16). In your theology there is no Father who shared loving communion with the Son... because in actuality, for you, the Father didn't in love send His Son to die for the sin of man. TomR, which God do you choose?)) "The great Greek philosopher, Aristotle (384-322 B.C.), had taught that: 'the Deity stands in lonely self-contemplation outside the world... his intellect (nous) is the only thing through which He stands in immediate contact with it.' And Plato (428-328 B.C.) of Athens had taught that gods by definition 'are exalted above pleasure and pain, and are untouched of evils.' THUS THE TRINITARIANS MADE A FATHER WHO WAS IMPASSABLE (i.e. incapable of suffering or feeling pain), the first person, and then a second person (whom they styled the Logos, 'Mind' or nous), who was passable (capable of suffering and feeling pain). The apostles never taught such a doctrine. And even later in Ignatius we read of one God, who was '...impassable, yet for us subjected to sufferings... What the Trinitarians were saying was that a different one had been incarnated or had come in the flesh. THEY DID NOT BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST TO BE ALMIGHTY GOD." )..." -William Chalfant, Ancient Champions of Oneness, pages 122-123. You are very correct in your summation that I believe in a different God than you in this. Here is what I believe- Joh 15:12 "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 GREATER LOVE HATH NO MAN THAN THIS, THAT A MAN LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS FRIENDS." I DO NOT BELIEVE IN, NOR WORSHIP A GOD WHO WOULD SEND ANOTHER PERSON TO DO WHAT HE COULD NOT, OR WOULD NOT DO. I do not believe in, nor worship a God who would send a separate person to suffer and die, while He Himself remained in heaven, untouched, and unaffected whose suffering could only, merely be in the stress of sending someone else, which would be a mockery! You may call it love if you wish, to send another person to die, but I call it disgusting, dishonorable, and cowardice! And in this I believe Jesus agrees with me, not you! I BELIEVE- "To wit, that GOD WAS IN CHRIST, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF..." 2 Co 5:19. AND I SUGGEST THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SAME! I BELIEVE THAT- "Christ also loved the church, and GAVE HIMSELF for it;... 27 THAT HE MIGHT PRESENT IT TO HIMSELF..." Eph 5:25-27. . AND I SUGGEST THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SAME! I DO NOT BELIEVE Jesus is the Second Person of any supposed Trinity BECAUSE THE BIBLE, GOD'S WORD, NEVER TELLS OR COMMANDS ME TO BELIEVE SUCH! I DO NOT BELIEVE IN A TRINITY of persons in the godhead because it cannot be stated in scripture, is not defined by scripture, it's terminology is lacking in scripture, it cannot even be expressed by combining any combinations of scriptures! It relies solely on the private interpretations of man to define it, which is forbidden by scripture. It required the philosophies of man to formulate it, which is condemned by scripture. It takes no spiritual revelation to accept it, it being readily, outwardly apparent by all manner of ungodly people, including avowed atheists and agnostics! It required pagan heathens to enforce it. It requires compromising and nullifying the very first commandment of Jesus to support it. It requires supporting pagan descriptions of divinity to express it. It puts the name of Jesus Christ in second place to the name of Trinity, rather than lifting up the name of Jesus to the place of the one name above all names. It denies that the Holy Ghost in the saints is Jesus Christ, making men reprobate concerning the faith according to scripture. It must make one deny that Jesus is the one and only I AM, thereby causing men to lose their salvation according to scripture. It has caused the bloodiest run of persecutions and murders in the name of God against man that this world has ever witnessed, since it's inception at the Council of Nicea onward! QUESTION #225) How much more undesirable would a doctrine have to be before you would be forced to reject it? Jer 2:11 "Hath a nation changed their gods, WHICH ARE YET NO GODS? BUT MY PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED THEIR GLORY FOR THAT WHICH DOTH NOT PROFIT. 12 Be astonished, O ye heavens, at this, and *BE HORRIBLY AFRAID*, be ye very desolate, saith the LORD. 13 FOR MY PEOPLE HAVE COMMITTED TWO EVILS; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water." I BELIEVE THAT- "The Lord our God is one Lord" (Mark 12:29), and that "Christ is all." (Col. 3:11), "And ye are complete in him" (Col 2:10). AND I SUGGEST THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SAME! I BELIEVE IN- "...the name of Jesus Christ... 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Act 4:10-12. AND I SUGGEST THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SAME! I BELIEVE- "...concerning spiritual(ities)... that... 4 there are diversities of gifts, but THE SAME Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but THE SAME Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is THE SAME God which worketh all in all... for... 11 ...all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit... :12 FOR as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: SO ALSO IS CHRIST." AND I SUGGEST THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SAME! I BELIEVE THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST- Rev 1:8 "I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty... 17... Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: 18 I AM HE THAT LIVETH, AND WAS DEAD..." Rev 21:6 "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son." Rev 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, THE FIRST AND THE LAST... 16 *I JESUS... I AM* THE ROOT (FATHER) AND THE OFFSPRING (SON)..." AND I SUGGEST THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SAME! I BELIEVE AND KEEP THE FIRST COMMANDMENT- Mar 12:29 "And Jesus answered him, THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, Hear, O Israel; The Lord OUR GOD IS ONE Lord" 1 Jo 2:4 "HE THAT SAITH, I KNOW HIM, AND KEEPETH NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him" 1 Jo 5:2 "By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: AND HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT GRIEVOUS." God said it, I believe it, and that settles it! QUESTION #226) "WHAT EVIL, THEN, AM I DOING IN GLORIFYING CHRIST?" (Noetus, 180 AD.) 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