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SATAN'S GREATEST HOAX or 226 questions PROVING the doctrine of the TRINITY to be UNSCRIPTURAL! Question 1- Definition of "Oneness" "God is a Spirit..." -John 4:24. "There is...one Spirit..." -Ephesians 4:4. "One and the selfsame Spirit..." 1 Cor. 12:11. "Now the Lord is that Spirit..." -2 Cor. 3:17. "...Jesus Christ (He is Lord of all)" -Acts 10:36. "THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, Hear, O Israel; THE LORD (JESUS) OUR GOD IS ONE LORD..." -Mark 12:29. "...Believe me, and understand that I am He: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no savior...Thus saith the Lord, your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel...I AM THE LORD *YOUR HOLY ONE* THE CREATOR OF Israel, your King" -Isaiah 43:10-15 "David speaketh concerning Him (Jesus of Nazareth), ...thine HOLY ONE..." -Acts 2:25-27. 2Co 11:2 "...I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you TO ONE husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin TO CHRIST. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." The following are my responses to some statements made in challenge to the Oneness doctrine. The statements in double brackets, like so- ((example)) were asked of me by an individual who goes by the handle "Pilgrim." This has been condensed from those conversations. These questions to him, and all Trinitarians, are not meant to make the Godhead appear confusing. It is the Trinity doctrine that has made the Godhead, not only confusing, but a doctrine causing division and strife in Christianity since it's beginning. I apologize for the length of this work. However, should anyone be diligent enough to read this to the end, and honestly consider the questions raised, I think one will see just how evil, and what damage the Trinity doctrine has caused, in dividing the church of Christ. "God is one" Mark 12:29 "Christ is all" -Col. 3:11 "And ye are complete in him (Christ)" - Col 2:10 QUESTION #1) Each one of those scriptures plainly, and clearly, though admittedly simply, states the "God is one/Christ is all" (Oneness) message. Why do Trinitarians choose not to believe them? 1Co 12:4 "Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all... 11 But ALL THESE WORKETH THAT ONE AND THE SELFSAME SPIRIT... 12 ...so also is Christ." (( What you believe in is a MODALISTIC God... God is 3 distinct persons (not people)... Oneness Pentecostals leave this side out, but Scripture clearly gives both - the two sides making one coin.)) First off, let me make clear that I do not deny the existence of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and I do recognize differences between them. "God is one, Christ is all, and ye are complete in Him" means just that. I do not say God is one, the SON is all, and ye are complete in The Son." This is where Trinitarians, who believe that only the Son bares the name Jesus, incorrectly interpret our stand. We of the "God is one/Christ is all" doctrine just do not do, what scripture does not do either, in calling the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost "Separate Persons" or a Trinity." These are extra/anti-biblical words, and concepts. You are correct in that I believe God has revealed Himself to man in a modalistic manner. Phi 2:9 "...God... hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD, TO THE GLORY OF God the Father." Col 3:17 "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father BY HIM." Act 4:10 "Be it known unto you all... THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST... 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Question 2- Definition of "Trinity" ((A good and clear definition is this: Within the nature of the ONE true God, there are three separate persons; the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and these three persons eternally co-exist as the ONE God... There is ONE God who expresses Himself in three separate persons... The Father is the ONE true God, but is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. The Son is the ONE true God, but is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is the ONE true God, but is not the Father or the Son.)) QUESTION #2) WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES ANY OF THIS?? What happened to your statement- ((I WILL use Scriptures that "in and of themselves" teach the ONE true and living God. And I will even do what you tried to do with Scripture (cross referencing?), but only without private interpretations.))??? Questions 3 through 5- Who is in the believers? QUESTION #3) Exactly where do you draw the line at this separation of yours? For some examples- QUESTION #4) Jesus said He would be in us, and that He and the Father would be in us. Is there more than one Spirit dwelling in you? Joh 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU... 21... and will manifest myself..." Joh 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM." Yet 1 Cor. 12:13 says- "By ONE SPIRIT are we all baptized into one body... and have been made to drink into ONE SPIRIT." God the Father is to dwell in us- 1 Cor 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God." And 2 Co 6:16 "...For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I WILL DWELL IN THEM... 18 AND WILL BE A FATHER unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." QUESTION #5) Are all the three persons of the Godhead dwelling in you? 1 Cor 6:19 "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of THE HOLY GHOST WHICH IS IN YOU...?" Questions 6 through 16- The TRUE mystery of the faith. QUESTION #6) Where does the Bible say that the Trinity is the mystery of the faith? What do the scriptures teach the mystery of the faith is? Col 1:26 "Even the mystery which hath been hid... but now IS MADE MANIFEST TO HIS SAINTS: 27 To whom God would make known... THIS MYSTERY... IS CHRIST IN YOU." QUESTION #7) Though I think it's pretty safe to say that you (Trinitarians) DO NOT BELIEVE Christ is in you, since you believe the Holy Ghost in the believers is a Separate Person from Christ, right? 2 Cor 13:5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU, EXCEPT YE BE REPROBATES?" QUESTION #8) Do you NOT believe it is Christ in you, since you do expressly believe Christ and the Holy Spirit (that is in the believers) are separate persons? Do you confess not that it is Jesus who is come in to dwell in our flesh? Rom 8:10 "And **IF** CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." 2 Jo 1:7 "For MANY DECEIVERS are entered into the world, who CONFESS NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME (present tense) IN THE FLESH. THIS IS A DECEIVER AND AN ANTICHRIST." QUESTION #9) Who dwelt in Jesus? Were there three Spirits dwelling in Jesus? Were there three separate persons dwelling in Jesus? Joh 14:10 "Believest thou not that I am in the Father, AND THE FATHER IN ME? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, he doeth the works." Luk 4:1 "...Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost... was led by the Spirit..." QUESTION #10) Who baptizes the believers with the Holy Ghost? Is it NOT Jesus HIMSELF that baptizes us? Mat 3:11 "I (John the Baptist) indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: BUT HE THAT COMETH AFTER ME (JESUS) is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: HE SHALL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST, and with fire:... 13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 14 But John forbad him, saying, I HAVE NEED TO BE BAPTIZED OF THEE, and comest thou to me? Jesus said- Joh 16:7 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, THE COMFORTER will not come unto you; but if I depart, I WILL SEND HIM unto you. (Joh 14:26 "...the Comforter... is the Holy Ghost..." QUESTION #11) Or is it the Father who would send the Holy Ghost? Joh 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom THE FATHER WILL SEND..." Joh 14:16 "And I will pray THE FATHER, and HE SHALL GIVE YOU ANOTHER COMFORTER... 17 Even the Spirit of truth..." QUESTION #12) Yet it is only one Spirit that baptizes with the Holy Ghost, how can they then be separate persons? 1 Cor 12:13 "For *BY* one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; *AND* have been all made to drink into ONE Spirit." QUESTION #13) Are the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, then, Separate Persons but not Separate Spirits? Where does the Bible specifically say this, or whatever it is that you do believe about this? QUESTION #14) How can the Holy Spirit be the same spirit as the "Spirit of the Son" (Gal 4:6) and be a Separate Person? Did the Son not have his own Spirit, but it is a Separate Person that is called the Holy Spirit? What is the scripturally stated difference between the Spirit of the Son, and the Holy Spirit? QUESTION #15) Is the Holy Spirit a separate person because only the Holy Spirit is Holy? Is Jesus' Spirit not Holy? After all, Mat 19:17 "...he (Jesus) said... Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God" What, scripturally speaking, makes the Spirit a Separate Person from Jesus and the Father then? QUESTION #16) What, scripturally stated, "Separates" the Holy Spirit" from being God the Father (who is *A* Spirit -John 4:24) and the "Spirit of Jesus Christ" (Phi 1:19).? Questions 17 through 19- In whose glory does Jesus come? QUESTION #17) In whose glory will Jesus return- His Father's or His own? Mat 25:31 "When the SON OF MAN SHALL COME IN HIS glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of HIS GLORY" Mat 16:27 "For the SON OF MAN SHALL COME IN THE GLORY OF HIS FATHER with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." QUESTION #18) Who is our Father, and the Father of Jesus? Is Jesus not our Father? Joh 14:7 "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: AND FROM HENCEFORTH YE KNOW HIM, AND HAVE SEEN HIM. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, SHEW US THE FATHER, and it sufficeth us. 9 JESUS SAITH UNTO HIM, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU, AND YET ***HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME***, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?" Joh 10:30 "I and my Father are one." Joh 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name" (Mat 1:21 "thou shalt call his name JESUS") Rev 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ... 8 I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty... 17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: 18 I AM HE THAT LIVETH, AND WAS DEAD... 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA... 7 He that overcometh... I WILL BE HIS GOD, AND HE SHALL BE MY SON. Isa 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and HIS NAME (JESUS) SHALL BE CALLED Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." QUESTION #19) Is God the Father NOT the ONLY Father? Mal 2:10 "Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?" Joh 8:41 "We be not born of fornication; WE HAVE ONE FATHER, EVEN GOD." Rom 15:6 "...God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." 1Co 8:6 "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Questions 20 through 22- The Holy Spirit as Father of Jesus, and the believers. QUESTION #20) Is the Holy Ghost NOT the Father? Mat 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found WITH CHILD OF THE HOLY GHOST... 20 ...FOR THAT WHICH IS CONCEIVED IN HER IS OF THE HOLY GHOST." Luk 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, THE HOLY GHOST SHALL COME UPON THEE, AND the power of the Highest SHALL OVERSHADOW THEE..." Rom 8:14 "For AS MANY AS ARE LED BY THE SPIRIT of God, THEY ARE THE SONS of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption." QUESTION #21) How is it that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost, yet (to you) the Holy Ghost is a Separate Person from the Father (Scripture, please)? QUESTION #22) Did your God the Father require the Son to be (spiritually) artificially inseminated by the Holy Ghost? Is YOUR God-the-Father spiritually impotent? Can He not do all things of Himself? Is He therefore NOT omnipotent? If your God-the-Father is Almighty, and is a Separate Person from the Holy Spirit, how come He couldn't or didn't father Jesus Himself? Questions 23 through 26- One God and one mediator. ((You began your list of verses, to prove the Biblical teaching of the Oneness God, with 1 Tim. 2:5, "There is but one God..." - Yes, this is so true. But you failed to quote the whole verse, "For there is one God, AND one mediator BETWEEN God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.")) QUESTION #23) So, is Jesus JUST a man to you? If there is a Separation of Persons here, then how have you NOT made Jesus separate from God? This verse doesn't say- "Between the Person of God the Father, and God the Son" it says- "one mediator BETWEEN GOD and men, THE MAN Christ Jesus." How does your rationality NOT show that you believe Christ is NOT God by your separating between Jesus and God here? ((Two persons TomR. Jesus can't be between man and Himself)) QUESTION #24) To whom then does Christ mediate us back to? Eph 5:25 "Christ also loved the church, and GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT... 27 THAT HE MIGHT PRESENT IT **TO HIMSELF**" Col 1:20 "And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, BY HIM TO RECONCILE ALL things UNTO HIMSELF; BY HIM, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath HE RECONCILED 22 IN THE BODY OF HIS FLESH through death, TO PRESENT YOU holy and unblameable and unreproveable IN HIS SIGHT" ((my point is that Jesus (person one) has satisfied the wrath of God (person two) toward man upon the cross. Do you understand? Do you see the relationship between the Father and the Son and then toward man?)) QUESTION #25) Is Jesus then NOT a God who was also filled with wrath at our separation from Him? And if Jesus IS also God, WHO IS OUR MEDIATOR BETWEEN US AND JESUS your "GOD THE SON"? (Note: "God the Son" is not a Biblical phrase!) QUESTION #26) If we are reconciled back to God the Father, AND we are reconciled back TO JESUS HIMSELF, BY JESUS HIMSELF, where is the Separation of Persons here? Please explain to me how can "HIMSELF" mean more than one person? 1 Co 15:24 "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the KINGDOM TO GOD, EVEN THE FATHER; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power." 2 Cor 5:18 "...God... hath reconciled us TO HIMSELF by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation" Eph 5:25 "Christ also loved the church, and GAVE HIMSELF FOR IT... 27 THAT HE MIGHT PRESENT IT **TO HIMSELF**" Questions 27 through 29- Does "love" prove relationship of persons? (( How can two natures relate with one another? Rather, this is speaking of a relationship between two divine real persons - the Father and the Son (Jesus)... The Father and the Son can't have a relationship if they are the same person )) QUESTION #27) If separation of Persons is required in order for there to be "relationship" how come it is said that men can love (showing relationship to and between) their own flesh? Eph 5: 28 "So ought men to love their wives AS their own bodies... 29 FOR NO MAN EVER YET HATED HIS OWN FLESH; but nourisheth and cherisheth it (relationship!), even as the Lord the church" QUESTION #28) Is a man's own flesh a separate person from the man? Does Eph. 5:28 prove that my flesh is a separate person from my mind, or my soul? Why not? If the logic (that relationship requires separation of persons) works to prove a separation of persons in the godhead, why not in the human being who was made in God's image? QUESTION #29) If separation of persons is required in order for there to be relationship, how does a person's mind "relate" with his fingers, toes, eyes, etc? Are they separate persons from the body? Does the body, and it's members, not also go by the same name as the mind of the one person? Are you going to tell all the people in the world that are paralyzed and in wheel chairs that the reason they can't move their hands and feet isn't because the mind isn't relating, communicating, and interacting with them- since, according to you, their body parts would have to be separate persons for any relationship to take place? Do you think you could convince all the neurologists out there that communication and relationship can't take place between a person's mind, and the body members since there is no separation of persons? Questions 30 through 35- God and Jesus always being distinguished. ((So please explain to me, why it is that whenever God and Jesus are being distinguished, it is never Jesus and the Son who are distinguished.)) QUESTION #30) If the Bible meant for these to be interpreted as "Separate Persons" why didn't the Bible "whenever God and Jesus are being distinguished" SOMEWHERE specifically state that these are Separate Persons? Mat 13:14 "And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR, AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND; AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE, AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." 1 Pet 2:6 "Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but UNTO THEM WHICH BE DISOBEDIENT, THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS DISALLOWED, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And A STONE OF STUMBLING, AND A ROCK OF OFFENCE, EVEN TO THEM WHICH STUMBLE AT THE WORD, BEING DISOBEDIENT: whereunto also they were appointed." ((...If Jesus is both the Father and the Son, why does Scripture always limit Jesus' explicit identity to the Son?... Why does Scripture never refer to "Jesus and the Son" when it refers to God (the Father) and the man in whom God dwelt - if in fact Jesus is, as you claim, both the Father and the Son?... For example, "May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God (who is also Jesus Christ), and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit (who is also Jesus Christ) be with you all." (2 Cor. 13:14).)) QUESTION #31) By your logic, are God and the Father Separate Persons? For the scripture says- Col 1:3 "We give thanks to God AND the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you." Col 2:2 "...be comforted, being knit together in love... to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, AND of the Father, and of Christ;" 1Th 3:11 "Now God himself AND our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you." Jam 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God AND the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." QUESTION #32) According to Trinitarian logic, I have now proven there to be actually a fourth person in the Godhead, have I not? Why not? Does using the word "and" between God and the Father prove them to be separate persons any more than the word "and" between Father and Son proves them to be separate persons? QUESTION #33) (( So why does (scripture) distinguish (God) from... the Father... in (these) passage(s) if in fact he believes (God is the Father)?)) QUESTION #34) Why is your question pertinent and detrimental to Oneness theology, but my question back at you is not pertinent or detrimental to Trinitarian philosophy? But that doesn't really answer the question, does it. THE ANSWER LIES IN THE MEANING OF THE GREEK WORD THAT OUR ENGLISH BIBLES TRANSLATE (SOMETIMES) INTO "AND." This word is the Greek word "Kai" and it is also translated as "even" or "that is," for example- Rom 5:7 "For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even (Kai) dare to die." Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even (kai) over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." Rom 8:34 "Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is (kai) risen again, who is even (kai) at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." With this word kai, being interpreted as "and," "even" or "that is," in mind, let's look again at our examples- (("May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, (and, even, that is) the love of God (who is also Jesus Christ), (and, even, that is) the fellowship of the Holy Spirit (who is also Jesus Christ) be with you all." (2 Cor. 13:14).)) Col 1:3 "We give thanks to God (and, even, that is) the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you." Col 2:2 "...be comforted, being knit together in love... to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, (and, even, that is) of the Father, (and, even, that is) of Christ;" 1Th 3:11 "Now God himself (and, even, that is) our Father, (and, even, that is) our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you." (("Grace and peace to you from God our Father (who is Jesus Christ) (and, even, that is) the Lord Jesus Christ." (Gal. 1:3). Or, "Praise be to the God (and, even, that is) Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (who is Himself the Lord Jesus Christ)..." (Eph. 1:3).)) ((If Paul really wanted to show the "Oneness" of God, he wouldn't have tried to sound so confusing. He could've said something like, "Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ who is the Father of the Son", or something like it - but he never did!)) QUESTION #35) If Paul didn't want to sound so confusing, and wanted to teach a Trinity of Separate Persons, how come he never called the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Separate Persons? He could've said something like, "Praise be to the Father and the Son, and the Holy Ghost; *three separate persons;... and these three persons eternally co-exist as the ONE God", or something like it*- but he never did!)) Why didn't he? He knew the Hebrews were very stout monotheists, was he trying to confuse them? If Paul meant three separate persons, why didn't he say three separate persons? Please continue with the 226 questions disproving the doctrine of the Trinity. QUESTION 36 Return to the Table of Contents for the 226 questions Return to the preface for the studies on the doctrine of the Oneness of God in the name of Jesus Christ. Read real conversations on the topic of Oneness vs. Trinity. |